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Understanding my results: slow load times
01-07-2016, 05:07 AM (This post was last modified: 01-07-2016 05:12 AM by campvoyageur.)
Post: #11
RE: Understanding my results: slow load times
@Anton Chigurh, I have gone ahead and compressed those photos you pointed out were massive. Here are my new results: http://www.webpagetest.org/result/160106_GA_ZDA/

Look at the FBT on the repeat view! Is it supposed to look like that? From the reading I've been doing, we could be getting bottle-necked at backend processing. Browser caching and CDN also between 23-24% across multiple tests on diff. browsers, locations, etc. =/

Edit: Testing more, the FBT seems almost random, sometimes spiking to 20-30sec.

Just looking through some of the plugins this guy has enabled to address the issue:

Cloudfare
WP Supercache

Also, if this is at all helpful:

WordPress Plugin Profile Report
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Report date: January 6, 2016
Theme name: Creativo 5.0
Pages browsed: 18
Avg. load time: 3.3205 sec
Number of plugins: 27
Plugin impact: 60.62% of load time
Avg. plugin time: 2.0128 sec
Avg. core time: 0.3860 sec
Avg. theme time: 0.6662 sec
Avg. mem usage: 91.43 MB
Avg. ticks: 46,035
Avg. db queries : 120.39
Margin of error : 0.2555 sec

Plugin list:
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P3 (Plugin Performance Profiler) - 0.0039 sec - 0.20%
SSO - 0.0011 sec - 0.05%
VaultPress - 0.0149 sec - 0.74%
LayerSlider - 0.0306 sec - 1.52%
Addthis - 0.1895 sec - 9.41%
Akismet - 0.0147 sec - 0.73%
Alpine Photo Tile For Smugmug - 0.0114 sec - 0.57%
Breadcrumb NavXT - 0.0273 sec - 1.36%
CloudFlare - 0.0056 sec - 0.28%
Envira Gallery Lite - 0.0098 sec - 0.49%
Extended Categories Widget - 0.0536 sec - 2.66%
Google Analyticator - 0.0110 sec - 0.54%
Instapage - 0.0232 sec - 1.15%
Jetpack by WordPress.com - 0.3512 sec - 17.45%
WPBakery Visual Composer - 0.2213 sec - 10.99%
MailChimp for WordPress - 0.0218 sec - 1.08%
Ninja Forms - 0.2864 sec - 14.23%
Revolution Slider - 0.0942 sec - 4.68%
Simple Membership - 0.0462 sec - 2.30%
Simple Staff List - 0.0104 sec - 0.52%
Tracking Code Manager - 0.0921 sec - 4.57%
Wordpress Seo - 0.3554 sec - 17.66%
WP Attachments - 0.0316 sec - 1.57%
WP Google Maps - Pro Add-on - 0.0246 sec - 1.22%
Wp Google Maps - 0.0240 sec - 1.19%
Wp Super Cache - 0.0065 sec - 0.32%
WP User Avatar - 0.0506 sec - 2.51%
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01-07-2016, 09:45 AM
Post: #12
RE: Understanding my results: slow load times
Have to disagree with Anton on this one. You won't get the site loading quickly by reducing the image sizes, in fact you have only managed to reduce the load time of the home page slightly. The main issue while browsing the site is the FBT and the page fade in transition, which is stopping the site from becoming interactive. Fix these first then worry about optimizing the images if they are appearing too slow for your liking.

Not sure why there would be a Cloudflare plugin as the DNS records aren't configured to use Cloudflare. I don't recommend Cloudflare though as it can still result in inconsistent load times. With the amount of plugins you may need to upgrade to a faster host/plan to get a more reliable FBT.

I'd double check the Super cache settings as no pages appear to be getting cached. Set a high expiry time if possible eg 1 day.
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01-07-2016, 10:07 AM (This post was last modified: 01-07-2016 10:09 AM by campvoyageur.)
Post: #13
RE: Understanding my results: slow load times
(01-07-2016 09:45 AM)clubberz Wrote:  Have to disagree with Anton on this one.

Interesting... I also suspected the plugins weren't properly configured. The reading I've seen about Clouldflare has been very bipolar (either it's amazing or it's garbage). I imagine that were it were the upgraded version and was properly configured it would likely improve things.

The problem is that this guy is still contracted by my boss, and while the site is not proprietary by any means, he has certainly made an effort to hold on to it. Hence, I do not have the passwords or necessary information to configure these plugins.

He is also unwilling to describe exactly how we're set up with our host (at some point we're hosted by Bluehost). He manages a few other small sites along with ours. I know for a fact that with the plan we pay for through Bluehost that FBT should be much better.

I've been working with him for about 6 months. If this isn't resolved soon, I'm going to advise my boss to drop the contract and move the site. Does that seem too rash?

Thanks as always for these great replies!
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01-07-2016, 01:02 PM (This post was last modified: 01-07-2016 01:04 PM by Anton Chigurh.)
Post: #14
RE: Understanding my results: slow load times
First of all IMO we muddy the waters quite a bit by testing from various sites, locations, browsers, etc. Because you are introducing multiple variables, such as quality of internet connections, quality of machines, etc. I ONLY test with IE 11 from the Dulles VA location because I know that one to be the most consistent and reliable internet connection and machine I've seen on WPT. (Pretty sure this is Patrick's personal set-up.) I don't like introducing unnecessary variables to the testing, but that's just my preference.

More and more I am seeing FBT problems sometimes even on my own sites, and with nothing changed on my end. I am not sure how reliable the FBT testing in WPT is at this point. Sometimes when you click on the grade, it doesn't show any target FBT, sometimes it does. Plus the host servers themselves are variable, their connection, their traffic and how well they are running can affect FBT. It's a highly variable item in the testing and again, you're dealing in milliseconds there, not seconds.
Quote:The reading I've seen about Clouldflare has been very bipolar (either it's amazing or it's garbage).
I used it for two years and personally never said it's garbage, I simply do not recommend it either. It is proven and even admitted by CF itself that CF interferes with FBT, and really it doesn't do anything for you other than ostensibly, serve your static content to a visitor from a spot geographically closer to that visitor. But when CF is down, you are down and it happens a lot more often than your typical host server down time is.

Good work so far cutting the bloat - From the tests I've run, it shows you have cut your bloat almost in half and the full load times have come down to single digits now. I am seeing anywhere from 6-9 seconds on full load, vs. the 12-19 seconds we were seeing before. This is a much much bigger difference then fixing 500 milliseconds of FBT. (That's on average how much you are missing the target by.) Cutting unnecessary bloat is always good advice and it always helps performance greatly.

Here's one additional test I do when curious about FBT. I pick ONE call out of the waterfall, and run a test on just that link. Always weird to me how FBT gets smaller, the smaller the page load bytes are. I have been told over and over again that there is no relation at all between the kb size of your site, and FBT but never got a explanation of why FBT is always stellar when you're only calling up one file. Take a look - I test ONLY your great big background image:

http://www.webpagetest.org/result/160107_T3_5M4/

And wow, somehow we PASS the FBT test with a A grade when we are loading only a small amount of KB.

Also, just for educational purposes and curiosity, turn off all the plugins then test this site. See what your baseline looks like without all the bells and whistles, just the installation itself. Then of course, turn everything back on.
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01-07-2016, 02:02 PM
Post: #15
RE: Understanding my results: slow load times
(01-07-2016 01:02 PM)Anton Chigurh Wrote:  Take a look - I test ONLY your great big background image:

http://www.webpagetest.org/result/160107_T3_5M4/

And wow, somehow we PASS the FBT test with a A grade when we are loading only a small amount of KB.

Hmm, very interesting. I think this particular test would indicate that my back-end processing is bottle-necked, no?
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01-07-2016, 04:13 PM
Post: #16
RE: Understanding my results: slow load times
(01-07-2016 02:02 PM)campvoyageur Wrote:  
(01-07-2016 01:02 PM)Anton Chigurh Wrote:  Take a look - I test ONLY your great big background image:

http://www.webpagetest.org/result/160107_T3_5M4/

And wow, somehow we PASS the FBT test with a A grade when we are loading only a small amount of KB.

Hmm, very interesting. I think this particular test would indicate that my back-end processing is bottle-necked, no?
I don't know what it indicates. This kind of thing has been true with every site I have seen FBT troubles on. But it does seem that for some reason if we aren't loading scripts and instead only just just files like images, we have no FBT troubles. But..... how does the browser and server "know" during the handshake, what scripts are coming if no bytes have been downloaded yet? It's called "first byte" for a reason.

I haven't gone so far as to test just the CSS, or other scripts called up.
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01-08-2016, 07:20 AM
Post: #17
RE: Understanding my results: slow load times
The FBT grade tests the time to the first byte for the first resource only, in the case of the WordPress site it's an html file which is created by accessing hundreds of php files as well as calls to the database. This takes significantly longer than calling a static resource such as an image, so it's no surprise testing an image by itself gives an A grade, as there is barely any processing involved to serve the file.

As your site is on a shared hosting plan, it will be sharing resources with a lot of other websites, which would explain the fluctuating load times. Some shared hosting plans are worse than others as they tend to overload the server with way too many websites. The FBT you have is fairly typical of a WordPress site on a shared hosting plan. Visual composer also tends to slow down the backend time of WP sites. So upgrading hosts will definitely help.

You can mitigate the load time issues by ensuring super cache is installed correctly and removing the transition as mentioned previously so content displays as soon as possible. If the developer isn't willing to address these I would recommend looking else where.
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01-08-2016, 11:45 AM
Post: #18
RE: Understanding my results: slow load times
(01-08-2016 07:20 AM)clubberz Wrote:  The FBT grade tests the time to the first byte for the first resource only, in the case of the WordPress site it's an html file which is created by accessing hundreds of php files as well as calls to the database. This takes significantly longer than calling a static resource such as an image, so it's no surprise testing an image by itself gives an A grade, as there is barely any processing involved to serve the file.
Where's the bolded, in the waterfall? This is very interesting to me as i have never heard this explanation before.

Quote:As your site is on a shared hosting plan, it will be sharing resources with a lot of other websites, which would explain the fluctuating load times. Some shared hosting plans are worse than others as they tend to overload the server with way too many websites. The FBT you have is fairly typical of a WordPress site on a shared hosting plan. Visual composer also tends to slow down the backend time of WP sites. So upgrading hosts will definitely help.

You can mitigate the load time issues by ensuring super cache is installed correctly and removing the transition as mentioned previously so content displays as soon as possible. If the developer isn't willing to address these I would recommend looking else where.
I'd mentioned connection, traffic and machine variables of the hosting earlier. To me these are especially significant on a oversold shared hosting machine and part of "you get what you pay for."
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01-08-2016, 01:12 PM
Post: #19
RE: Understanding my results: slow load times
(01-08-2016 11:45 AM)Anton Chigurh Wrote:  
(01-08-2016 07:20 AM)clubberz Wrote:  The FBT grade tests the time to the first byte for the first resource only, in the case of the WordPress site it's an html file which is created by accessing hundreds of php files as well as calls to the database.
Where's the bolded, in the waterfall? This is very interesting to me as i have never heard this explanation before.

It's the first line in the waterfall, which is an html file. This time can also be easily seen in the "first byte" column in the table above the waterfall (2.65s in the following report):
http://www.webpagetest.org/result/160106_GA_ZDA/

It's also mentioned in the docs here:
https://sites.google.com/a/webpagetest.o...irst-Byte:
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01-08-2016, 02:49 PM (This post was last modified: 01-08-2016 03:28 PM by Anton Chigurh.)
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RE: Understanding my results: slow load times
(01-08-2016 01:12 PM)clubberz Wrote:  It's the first line in the waterfall, which is an html file. This time can also be easily seen in the "first byte" column in the table above the waterfall (2.65s in the following report):
http://www.webpagetest.org/result/160106_GA_ZDA/
Well, at 17kb that's hardly "100s of php files as well as calls to the database."

Host: campvoyageur.com
IP: 50.87.219.122
Error/Status Code: 200
Client Port: 55634
Request Start: 0.228 s
DNS Lookup: 132 ms
Initial Connection: 91 ms
Time to First Byte: 2426 ms
Content Download: 111 ms
Bytes In (downloaded): 16.8 KB
Bytes Out (uploaded): 0.3 KB

Here's the actual contents of call #1, what comprises the 16.8kb of data represented.
Code:
Request #1
Details Request Response Object
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You gain independence and find your voice. Camp Voyageur fills a summer with sports, fun and adventure exploring the Boundary Waters with wilderness experts and new friends.</p> <p><strong>Two weeks at camp- test the waters:<br /> </strong>Two-week sessions abbreviate the Camp Voyageur experience. Kids practice canoeing and camping skills before heading out on the trail. Many campers stay six or eight weeks by combining the four-week and two-week sessions.</p> <p><strong>Four weeks at camp:<br /> </strong>Over four weeks kids bite into the full <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyageurs" target="_blank"><b>Voyageur</b></a> experience. Campers perform on the Gong Show, Clue, Casino, the cardboard boat regatta, the WELK radio show and CV’s Olympic games. Take day trips to fish, explore <a href="http://www.ironrange.org/things-to-do/minnesota-museum-of-mining" target="_blank"><b>iron mines</b></a> that built America and visit the <b><a href="http://www.wolf.org/" target="_blank">International Wolf  Center</a> </b>and the <a href="http://www.bear.org/" target="_blank"><strong>North American Bear Center</strong></a>. Recreational sports work boys into shape as they prepare for two, progressively longer canoe or hiking trips. Fish for walleye, small and largemouth bass, northern pike, rainbow, brown and lake trout on adventures into the <a href="http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/superior/specialplaces/?cid=stelprdb5202169" target="_blank"><b>BWCAW</b></a> and <b><a href="http://www.ontarioparks.com/park/quetico" target="_blank">Quetico</a>.</b></p> <p><strong>Eight weeks at Voyageur:<br /> </strong>The best value in every sense of the word, eight weeks away from home rejuvenates the soul. Physical fitness becomes fun, wilderness trips unleash self-discovery. Ma Nature awakens a primal sense from within. As  confidence grows, boys value responsibility to the group and seek opportunities to lead. This simple, physical life whittles one down to the essence of their character. Kids get fit, learn valuable life-long skills and confidence soars as they overcome new challenges. Experienced campers can spend nearly half their time <a href="http://campvoyageur.com/on-the-trail/" target="_blank"><b>on the trail</b></a>.</p> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="vc_col-sm-4 wpb_column vc_column_container vc_custom_1434545700125"> <div class="wpb_wrapper"> <div class="wpb_single_image wpb_content_element vc_align_left"> <div class="wpb_wrapper"> <div class="vc_single_image-wrapper vc_box_border_grey"><img width="483" height="582" src="//campvoyageur.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/1-elliscomp1.jpg" class="vc_single_image-img attachment-large" alt="1-elliscomp1" /></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="vc_row wpb_row vc_row-fluid " style="background-color:#ffffff;"> <div class="inner_wrap"> <div class="clearfix inner_wrap_margins"> <div class="vc_col-sm-6 wpb_column vc_column_container "> <div class="wpb_wrapper"> <div class="wpb_single_image wpb_content_element vc_custom_1452102522776 vc_align_left"> <div class="wpb_wrapper"> <div class="vc_single_image-wrapper vc_box_border_grey"><img width="800" height="533" src="//campvoyageur.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/1-elliscomp2.jpg" class="vc_single_image-img attachment-large" alt="1-elliscomp2" /></div> </div> </div> <div class="wpb_text_column wpb_content_element "> <div class="wpb_wrapper"> <p style="text-align: center;">Director John Erdmann rigs a Sunfish with campers.</p> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="vc_col-sm-6 wpb_column vc_column_container vc_custom_1434545840058"> <div class="wpb_wrapper"> <div class="wpb_text_column wpb_content_element "> <div class="wpb_wrapper"> <h4>Over 60 years of experience.</h4> <p>In 1951 Charlie and Mim Erdmann founded Camp Voyageur on a secluded peninsula at the edge of the Boundary Waters in Ely, Minnesota. Our camp mission remains the same: To foster personal growth through group interaction in a wilderness setting. For over 30 years siblings Deb and John Erdmann continue their family’s tradition of summers filled with fun and adventure for boys of all ages.</p> <p>Camp Voyageur meets the professional standards established by the <a href="http://find.acacamps.org/camp_profile.php?camp_id=150">American Camp Association</a>.  Learn more about the Erdmann’s and <a href="http://campvoyageur.com/tradition-2/" target="_blank">Camp Voyageur’s History here.</a></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="vc_row wpb_row vc_row-fluid " > <div class="inner_wrap"> <div class="clearfix inner_wrap_margins"> <div class="vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column vc_column_container vc_custom_1434545584114"> <div class="wpb_wrapper"> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="clr"></div> <footer class="footer"> <div class="action_bar"> <div class="action_bar_inner"> <h2>Spots are filling up fast!</h2> <a href="http://campvoyageur.com/contact-us/" class="button button_default large custompos" target="_self"> Click here to get more info about Camp Voyageur!</a> </div> </div> <div class="inner"> <div class="copyright"> © Copyright Camp Voyageur 2014. | <a href=" http://campvoyageur.com/privacy-policy/">Privacy Policy</a> | <a href="http://campvoyageur.com/camp-family-photos/">Camp Family Photos</a> | <a href="http://campvoyageur.com/who-is-coming-to-camp/">Who's Registered</a> | <a href="http://find.acacamps.org/camp_profile.php?camp_id=150">ACA accredited since 1985.</a> </div> <div class="top_social clearfix"> <a href="https://www.facebook.com/pages/Camp-Voyageur/112436242108139" class="facebook" title="Follow on Facebook" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><i class="fa fa-facebook"></i></a> <a href="https://instagram.com/camp_voyageur/" class="instagram" title="Follow on Instagram" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><i class="fa fa-instagram"></i></a> <a href="https://plus.google.com/114680443254543338976" class="google" title="Follow on Google+" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><i class="fa fa-google-plus"></i></a> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKd1oyN39KbCinZzHk6W1_Q" class="youtube" title="Follow on YouTube" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><i class="fa fa-youtube-play"></i></a> </div> </div> </footer> </div> <div id="gotoTop"></div> <script type='text/javascript' src='//s0.wp.com/wp-content/js/devicepx-jetpack.js?ver=201601'></script> <script type='text/javascript' src='//campvoyageur.com/wp-content/themes/creativo/js/plugins.js?ver=5.4'></script> <script type='text/javascript' src='//campvoyageur.com/wp-content/themes/creativo/js/main.js?ver=5.4'></script> <script type='text/javascript' src='//campvoyageur.com/wp-content/plugins/js_composer/assets/js/js_composer_front.js?ver=4.5.2'></script> </body> </html>
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But, from your second link the bolded is interesting:
Quote:The First Byte time is the time from when the user started navigating to the page until the first bit of the server response arrived. The bulk of this time is usually referred to the "back-end time" and is the amount of time the server spent building the page for the user.
This makes it sound like, indeed the amount of requests, things it has to find and assemble, and kb load coming does affect FBT. Which might explain what I have found over time, that greatly reducing bulk can help FBT.


EDIT - much later on I added the following:


Quote:So, the more things it has to assemble in this way, the more time it takes? Would making this significantly smaller, help?
I decided to try to answer this.

On one of my sites that is a vBulletin install I get very consistent 'B' grade for FBT. Can I improve this grade by reducing the amount of stuff that has to be assembled? Reduce the kb of request #1?

My normal request #1 is 14.5kb.

I turned off all add-ons, plugins, and template hooks system and ran the same test again - NOW my request #1 is only 11.5kb.

And now, consistent 'A' grades on FBT.

Granted this is only one tiny variable in the whole thing, but the 'A' grade is consistent with the smaller request #1, every time I repeat the testing. Turns out it is a SURPRISING amount of code and calls and stuff, it no longer goes to find and assemble. It's not the kb, it's the finding and assembling!

When I turned all the hooks, plugins and add-ons back on giving me back the 14.5kb, I now consistently get the 'B' grade back for FBT, on every test.

Granted we cannot leave some of these plugins off, some of them are anti-spam stuff. But to me this looks promising as a way to perhaps address slow FBT? Find ways to reduce the pieces needed assembled to comprise request #1?

At minimum it seems a good enough reason to do "baseline" tests, with all add-ons and plugins and extras, off? Just to further educate us on what exactly all the added bells, whistles, extras, gadgets and all do to our performance? Might even be a way to exclude server issues as the reason for poor FBT?
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