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Understanding my results: slow load times
01-08-2016, 02:49 PM (This post was last modified: 01-08-2016 03:28 PM by Anton Chigurh.)
Post: #20
RE: Understanding my results: slow load times
(01-08-2016 01:12 PM)clubberz Wrote:  It's the first line in the waterfall, which is an html file. This time can also be easily seen in the "first byte" column in the table above the waterfall (2.65s in the following report):
http://www.webpagetest.org/result/160106_GA_ZDA/
Well, at 17kb that's hardly "100s of php files as well as calls to the database."

Host: campvoyageur.com
IP: 50.87.219.122
Error/Status Code: 200
Client Port: 55634
Request Start: 0.228 s
DNS Lookup: 132 ms
Initial Connection: 91 ms
Time to First Byte: 2426 ms
Content Download: 111 ms
Bytes In (downloaded): 16.8 KB
Bytes Out (uploaded): 0.3 KB

Here's the actual contents of call #1, what comprises the 16.8kb of data represented.
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Living in the woods everyone carries their own weight, so campers of all ages become teammates and fishing buddies.</p> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="vc_col-sm-4 wpb_column vc_column_container vc_custom_1434545763123"> <div class="wpb_wrapper"> <div class="wpb_text_column wpb_content_element "> <div class="wpb_wrapper"> <h4 style="text-align: center;"></h4> <h3 style="text-align: center;"><strong>WILDERNESS INSPIRES ADVENTURE.<br /> </strong></h3> <p style="text-align: center;">Camp Voyageur specializes in wilderness trips. <a href="http://campvoyageur.com/in-camp/" target="_blank"><strong>In Camp</strong></a> sports and activities get kids in shape for the trail. <a href="http://campvoyageur.com/on-the-trail/" target="_blank"><strong>On the Trail</strong></a> experienced guides lead small groups into the <a href="http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/superior/specialplaces/?cid=stelprdb5202169" target="_blank"><strong>BWCAW</strong></a> and <strong><a href="http://www.ontarioparks.com/park/quetico" target="_blank">Quetico</a>. </strong></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="vc_row wpb_row vc_row-fluid " > <div class="inner_wrap"> <div class="clearfix inner_wrap_margins"> <div class="vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column vc_column_container "> <div class="wpb_wrapper"> <div class="clearfix button_center button_center"><a class="button large button_green " href="http://campvoyageur.com/contact-us/" target="">Contact Deb for more information about camp!</a></div> <div style="padding-top:10px; padding-bottom:5px;"><div class="divider_blank " style="border-color:#666666;"></div></div> <div class="wpb_video_widget wpb_content_element"> <div class="wpb_wrapper"><div class="wpb_video_wrapper"><span class='embed-youtube' style='text-align:center; display: block;'><iframe class='youtube-player' type='text/html' width='640' height='390' src='http://www.youtube.com/embed/tTFEMkqO4OQ?version=3&rel=1&fs=1&autohide=2&showsearch=0&showinfo=1&iv_load_policy=1&wmode=transparent' frameborder='0' allowfullscreen='true'></iframe></span></div> </div> </div> <div style="padding-top:5px; padding-bottom:0px;"><div class="divider_blank " style="border-color:#666666;"></div></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="vc_row wpb_row vc_row-fluid " style="background-color:#ffffff;"> <div class="inner_wrap"> <div class="clearfix inner_wrap_margins"> <div class="vc_col-sm-8 wpb_column vc_column_container vc_custom_1434545660804"> <div class="wpb_wrapper"> <div class="wpb_text_column wpb_content_element "> <div class="wpb_wrapper"> <h4>Challenge yields real growth.</h4> <p>Good things happen when a you leave home for a few weeks camping in the wilderness. You gain independence and find your voice. Camp Voyageur fills a summer with sports, fun and adventure exploring the Boundary Waters with wilderness experts and new friends.</p> <p><strong>Two weeks at camp- test the waters:<br /> </strong>Two-week sessions abbreviate the Camp Voyageur experience. Kids practice canoeing and camping skills before heading out on the trail. Many campers stay six or eight weeks by combining the four-week and two-week sessions.</p> <p><strong>Four weeks at camp:<br /> </strong>Over four weeks kids bite into the full <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyageurs" target="_blank"><b>Voyageur</b></a> experience. Campers perform on the Gong Show, Clue, Casino, the cardboard boat regatta, the WELK radio show and CV’s Olympic games. Take day trips to fish, explore <a href="http://www.ironrange.org/things-to-do/minnesota-museum-of-mining" target="_blank"><b>iron mines</b></a> that built America and visit the <b><a href="http://www.wolf.org/" target="_blank">International Wolf  Center</a> </b>and the <a href="http://www.bear.org/" target="_blank"><strong>North American Bear Center</strong></a>. Recreational sports work boys into shape as they prepare for two, progressively longer canoe or hiking trips. Fish for walleye, small and largemouth bass, northern pike, rainbow, brown and lake trout on adventures into the <a href="http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/superior/specialplaces/?cid=stelprdb5202169" target="_blank"><b>BWCAW</b></a> and <b><a href="http://www.ontarioparks.com/park/quetico" target="_blank">Quetico</a>.</b></p> <p><strong>Eight weeks at Voyageur:<br /> </strong>The best value in every sense of the word, eight weeks away from home rejuvenates the soul. Physical fitness becomes fun, wilderness trips unleash self-discovery. Ma Nature awakens a primal sense from within. As  confidence grows, boys value responsibility to the group and seek opportunities to lead. This simple, physical life whittles one down to the essence of their character. Kids get fit, learn valuable life-long skills and confidence soars as they overcome new challenges. Experienced campers can spend nearly half their time <a href="http://campvoyageur.com/on-the-trail/" target="_blank"><b>on the trail</b></a>.</p> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="vc_col-sm-4 wpb_column vc_column_container vc_custom_1434545700125"> <div class="wpb_wrapper"> <div class="wpb_single_image wpb_content_element vc_align_left"> <div class="wpb_wrapper"> <div class="vc_single_image-wrapper vc_box_border_grey"><img width="483" height="582" src="//campvoyageur.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/1-elliscomp1.jpg" class="vc_single_image-img attachment-large" alt="1-elliscomp1" /></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="vc_row wpb_row vc_row-fluid " style="background-color:#ffffff;"> <div class="inner_wrap"> <div class="clearfix inner_wrap_margins"> <div class="vc_col-sm-6 wpb_column vc_column_container "> <div class="wpb_wrapper"> <div class="wpb_single_image wpb_content_element vc_custom_1452102522776 vc_align_left"> <div class="wpb_wrapper"> <div class="vc_single_image-wrapper vc_box_border_grey"><img width="800" height="533" src="//campvoyageur.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/1-elliscomp2.jpg" class="vc_single_image-img attachment-large" alt="1-elliscomp2" /></div> </div> </div> <div class="wpb_text_column wpb_content_element "> <div class="wpb_wrapper"> <p style="text-align: center;">Director John Erdmann rigs a Sunfish with campers.</p> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="vc_col-sm-6 wpb_column vc_column_container vc_custom_1434545840058"> <div class="wpb_wrapper"> <div class="wpb_text_column wpb_content_element "> <div class="wpb_wrapper"> <h4>Over 60 years of experience.</h4> <p>In 1951 Charlie and Mim Erdmann founded Camp Voyageur on a secluded peninsula at the edge of the Boundary Waters in Ely, Minnesota. 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So, the more things it has to assemble in this way, the more time it takes? Would making this significantly smaller, help?



But, from your second link the bolded is interesting:
Quote:The First Byte time is the time from when the user started navigating to the page until the first bit of the server response arrived. The bulk of this time is usually referred to the "back-end time" and is the amount of time the server spent building the page for the user.
This makes it sound like, indeed the amount of requests, things it has to find and assemble, and kb load coming does affect FBT. Which might explain what I have found over time, that greatly reducing bulk can help FBT.


EDIT - much later on I added the following:


Quote:So, the more things it has to assemble in this way, the more time it takes? Would making this significantly smaller, help?
I decided to try to answer this.

On one of my sites that is a vBulletin install I get very consistent 'B' grade for FBT. Can I improve this grade by reducing the amount of stuff that has to be assembled? Reduce the kb of request #1?

My normal request #1 is 14.5kb.

I turned off all add-ons, plugins, and template hooks system and ran the same test again - NOW my request #1 is only 11.5kb.

And now, consistent 'A' grades on FBT.

Granted this is only one tiny variable in the whole thing, but the 'A' grade is consistent with the smaller request #1, every time I repeat the testing. Turns out it is a SURPRISING amount of code and calls and stuff, it no longer goes to find and assemble. It's not the kb, it's the finding and assembling!

When I turned all the hooks, plugins and add-ons back on giving me back the 14.5kb, I now consistently get the 'B' grade back for FBT, on every test.

Granted we cannot leave some of these plugins off, some of them are anti-spam stuff. But to me this looks promising as a way to perhaps address slow FBT? Find ways to reduce the pieces needed assembled to comprise request #1?

At minimum it seems a good enough reason to do "baseline" tests, with all add-ons and plugins and extras, off? Just to further educate us on what exactly all the added bells, whistles, extras, gadgets and all do to our performance? Might even be a way to exclude server issues as the reason for poor FBT?
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